Sales Force in the Sixties

By Malcolm Green

I found the article by Terry England very interesting as many of the people mentioned in it were either colleagues or superiors of mine.

When I left the army in 1959 having come back from East Africa, I applied to Harris Lebus for a job as a sales trainee. I remember going to the Tottenham factory by train and being somewhat impressed with the size of the place! I was interviewed by Ronnie Boss the Cabinet Sales Manager and was given a quick show around the Customers’ Service Department which was full of beautiful young ladies. Fortunately I got the job and was asked to report to the factory at Tottenham where I spent some days being shown the workings of the factory before being asked to report to the Maddox Street showrooms. This I did and travelled up by Green Line bus from Cheshunt for a year or so before being asked to report to the Liverpool Showrooms.

At Maddox Street I met several other ‘trainees’; John Overton, and Balfour Brown being two out of the four or five there who eventually went out on the road; Balfour doing the Westend and having a spectacular car accident within a few days of getting his new Ford Anglia! He apparently was gazing at the ladies along Camden Town and failed to spot a large hole in the middle of the road with a sign in front of it! Too late, he went down the hole! Whilst there, the manager whose name I forget now was replaced by Sam Perrett who had been with Times Furnishers and a friend of Reg Holloway the London Sales Manager. Reg was a large blustery fellow always in double breasted Prince of Wales check suit, and always smoking a cigarette! Everyone was ‘Dear Boy’ to Reg, ‘Yes, Dear Boy’, ‘No Dear Boy’. All rather funny when you think on it now.

One of the old boys there who used to fuss about writing out coded price tickets was Mr Flack who had been at the Tabernacle Street showrooms. Our main role there as sales assistants was to show intro retail clients around and to try and sell them furniture of course. If we succeeded, the details were sent on an order form to their respective retailer awaiting confirmation to proceed or not. Sam Perrett used to walk about listening pretending to be straightening the furniture and would suggest sales techniques to us!

All in all I spent about a year there and introduced a friend of mine Eddy Stanhope to the company. He got the job and joined me at Maddox Street and later at Liverpool also. So, about late 1960 I was sent up to Liverpool. I was met at Lime Street Station by Gus Patterson and Paul Pocock. Paul’s dad was the Lebus rep for Devonshire and his brother Mike was a Lebus rep in Lancashire, where there were several Lebus reps. Lancashire was a very big county for Lebus business. The famous Lebus reps there were Eddy Burton (ex RAF), Mike Pocock, Jimmy James, Derek Marshall, and the great Peg O’Neill who took us all out for a meal and pints of bass every week at The Strand at Pier Head. I doubt if there is anyone alive now who remembers any of this.

Our Liverpool showrooms were in Hope Street a very famous street indeed. At one end there is the Catholic Cathedral and the other end the Anglican Cathedral! In the middle the Philharmonic Concert Hall and Philharmonic Pub, one of our favourite haunts as the draught Bass was superb! But really close was the Art College and ‘The Crack Pub’ our favourite drinking hole used by ‘The Quarry Men’. These lads eventually became known as ‘The Beatles’. You may have heard of them. I sold their first manager (not Epstein), a load of fluffy chairs for a night club he owned in Bold Street, the ‘Blue Angel’. Liverpool was an amazing place in those days and I had a marvellous time there living very near to the showrooms and later in Bootle.

A quick word about the showrooms and the staff. The manager was Bill McGurgan and Paul Pocock was his assistant when I arrived. Later on after a couple of years, Paul went out on the road. Gus Patterson went out on the road too locally; his dad had been the Lebus rep at Dundee. Then Derek Marshall went out on the road in the Southport, Ormskirk, Preston area. I became Bill McGurgan’s assistant before also getting posted down to Cambridgeshire to run a territory covering a part of East Anglia based in Peterborough. Bill McGurgan had been a squadron leader in the RAF and was a thoroughly nice bloke.

I remember the day when I was told to go and buy a car as I was going to be promoted to rep status. I went to the local Austin/Morris showroom in Bold Street and bought two, one also for Eddy Stanhope who had heard also that he was off somewhere. They were Morris 1100’s in Connaught Green! Well cutting a very long story short and kissing goodbye to girlfriends etc, I set off for far off Peterborough. Lebus were very fair and allowed me to stay in the Angel Hotel for three months which gave me time to find a flat. The hotel no longer exists; it is now part of Marks and Spencer’s. I remember the lovely receptionist (Miss Peterborough actually)! And later I had many very successful stockrooms there. Stockrooms were held a couple of times a year to show new ranges of furniture and we invited all the local retail customers along and entertained them well!

I would have up to ten Lebus lorrries full of furniture for my large stockroom at The Angel. Dealers would come from miles around and we did big business. I always sold all the stock, nothing ever went back to Tottenham I am proud to say. I remember Mr. Maclean coming up once to see me but I was so busy with customers I could hardly spare him five minutes, which I am sure he understood! Peterborough was a completely different world to Liverpool and I adjusted to it and built up the turnover for the territory quite a lot, maybe as much as 40% in eighteen months. So, I was doing my bit. After a couple of year’s or so at Peterborough I was down at the Lebus preview at The Regal Edmonton Show, before the Earls Court Furniture Show, and heard some rumours on the grapevine. All very unsettling for me as I had built my territory up and was taken aback at what I heard from colleagues! To me Lebus was unassailable, the greatest and the best.

I knew that our New Link range was struggling against ‘G Plan’ by E. Gomme of High Wycombe. But nobody was selling as much as Gommes on their fifty two week’s delivery! And we had competition from many other British furniture manufacturers, many doing good business like Stonehill, Beautility and Austinsuites. I heard that things were tight and that a certain Mr Jacob Zinkin, was thinking of cutting the sales force and cheapening quality to get prices down further. He was a friend of the Lebus family I believe; no doubt Mr Oliver or Mr Anthony Lebus! If anything we needed to improve quality which was slipping. I was getting too many returns on delivery damage, poor finishing and so forth that needed addressing. We did not need to cheapen things and compete with firms like Bluestone and Elvin at the bottom end of the market! But this was the way things were going, and Jack Thomas was always sending us more spiffs and job offers on versions of this and that, which I sold somewhat reluctantly.

So, being young and single and uncertain about the direction that Harris Lebus was heading and very much aware that nobody was really listening to the sales force anymore, I decided to look for another job. I was probably the very first to panic and leave. I actually got a job with Meredew Furniture for the whole of East Anglia and North London a vast territory to cover actually, but therein lies another tale!

Terry England touches on the gradual demise. Somebody could have definitely sorted it out, but not with the family interference, and not the old guard who had seen the golden patch and good years and lacked the modern management skills.

Recently I visited a showroom with a lot of Harris Lebus furniture made in Hull and East London before the Tottenam factory was envisaged. Made by the old members of the family who came from Poland or somewhere like that and stopped off at Hull on the way to America. They never got to America and set up a cabinet making business in Hull, making ‘Art & Crafts’ type wonderful solid oak furniture that is quite valuable today. Most pieces I looked at, sideboards and cocktail cabinets were well over a thousand pounds each! I thought that they were superb, but I like that type of thing and I have a soft spot for the old firm!

Showroom, Maddox Street, London

Catalogue 1960

List of showrooms in a 1960 catalogue

4 thoughts on “Sales Force in the Sixties

  1. terry england says:

    Hi Malcom I was delighted to read your article, I was beginning to think that I was the only member of HL Sales team still on my perch. Although we overlapped we appear to have mainly been in different places from each other .I found your comments about your time in Liverpool very interesting It was an area with which I personally had little contact and which enjoyed degree of autonomy matched only by Glasgow. I have been racking my brains to remember from whom you took over the Peterborough territory ? Do you still have any contact with any old collegues? I unfortunately do not.

    • Malcolm Green says:

      Hi Terry,
      I don’t have any contact with anyone but often wonder what some of my old colleagues ended up doing when the old firm closed down. Many may have left the furniture trade as I did around 1968 for pastures new..
      I know that I was one of the youngest reps on the road and single, which was not quite the ticket for Lebus!
      The firm preferred not so young married guys that they could rely upon or feel that they could rely upon more.
      My sales manager was Cyril Lashbrook another ex RAF Squadron Leader and super nice guy who always wanted to know where we were going for lunch and who with? We had some great laughs and he allowed me to have a GT Ford Cortina which Tottenham were not happy about. But Lasher swung it for me, and I was Jack the Lad.
      There won’t be many of us left Terry.
      The established big time reps in their Chester Barrie suits and Vauxhall’s Cresta cars, have all passes on for sure now!
      Wonderful to think of those days now though.

    • Malcolm Green says:

      Hi Terry,

      Further to my previous reply about my Sales Manager Cyril Lashbrook and other guys; May 2019.
      I believe that Eddy Stanhope is alive and kicking on Facebook, so need to try and touch base there.
      Derek Marshall a well respected Lancashire rep is still alive also, so will phone him soon to say hello.
      Would love to know if Nigel Howe who I was with at Manchester showrooms for a few weeks is alive and kicking! He used to say that his Hillman Minx went like the wind; can you image that!
      Probably 0 to 60mph in 20 seconds!
      Great days!

  2. Yvonne says:

    I am researching the Horsa glider for a small exhibition in our village in June and wondered if you could help me. I used to live in Ainsdale and knew someone who worked for Lebus in Liverpool but have only just found your confirmation that there was a Lebus in Liverpool as it doesn’t appear anywhere else!
    Apparently Lebus were involved in the construction of the Horsa gliders and some of the wings were made in our Cheshire village. I have been puzzling how it was chosen as a production site and thought maybe it was a link with Lebus in Liverpool but do you know when the shop opened there please? I realise you were there in the 1960s but was it there in the 1940’s? I hope you are still involved with this website.

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